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Does Your Church Need a Security Team?

As you may know from reading my blog I helped launch a Safety and Security team at my home church a couple of years ago. Our church is by no means a large church, we average about 150 people per service on weekends. But since the launch of our team, we have had several incidents that very well could have ended much worse, without our team in position.

The first incident, I was inside the worship center during first service, and the worship team was playing music while people were finding their seats. I am the team leader, and all of our members have walkie talkies when they are serving. We generally run two team members per service, plus the lead. We have one member on patrol in the parking lot, with a focus on the entryway to the children’s ministry and another inside patrolling. During a normal service I patrol all areas and monitor everything. This particular morning, Big Mike one of the Elders comes to me in the worship center, and tells me a guy with two guns is trying to get in the front door.

As I follow Mike out into the lobby, I tell him to point him out, he was a white male – mid 30’s – about 6’1″ and maybe 175 lbs. He was wearing a gray blazer, black cowboy hat and jeans, with a big Texas belt buckle. Inside the front of his Jeans are two black semi-automatic pistols tucked on either side of his belt buckle. He is standing just five feet outside the entrance, with his arms on his hips and an angry look on his face. My approach to him was my normal approach, pleasant but forceful.

“Good morning sir, how can I help you today?”

“You can help by telling me why these Communists won’t let me come in this Church and worship my savior Jesus Christ!”

“Well sir, we do not allow firearms on our property, you are free to worship along side us, but you will have to secure your pistols in your vehicle first.”

“This is America, and I am free to worship my God without having my Second Amendment rights trampled! And I will NEVER put down my guns, because I do not trust ANY man, I only trust God.”

At this point I realize I am not dealing with someone who is thinking rationally, and this could develop rather quickly into a bad situation. My eye spots my first team member observing from about 15 feet away on my right. Now I have to position this guy and myself away from the front glass doors of this church, in case he decides to pull his guns and shoot. So I move in towards him, and as I do, he backs up around a wall blocking his view of the doors (good).

“Sir, this is private property and we reserve the right to prohibit the possession of firearms on this property. If you would like I can call Metro to the scene so they can explain the law to you clearly.” At this point he gets very angry and steps into my personal space with his finger pointing less than an inch from my face.

You are the problem with this Country, Goddamn Communists trying to take away my rights, you want me to show you the two AR-15s I have in my truck?”

“No sir, and as a matter of fact, I don’t appreciate the threats, so I need you to get in your car and leave the property right now. If you don’t leave you will be arrested for trespassing.” Both of my team members are only feet away at this moment, not knowing his next move, I stay calm and keep eye contact. In my mind I realize if he draws, I have to get control of the guns, and rely on my team to neutralize him. It will only take him seconds to discharge his weapons so we will have to move fast.

He chooses differently and disengages from me, turns around and walks off to his car cursing at us and calling us Communists. He then speeds out of the parking lot. Meanwhile my team had taken plenty of photos of him and his vehicle, while he was talking with me. My next move was to notify local police of what had happened, in case he drove off to another church that day.

A Man, A Gun and the Grace of God

Another incident, that didn’t turn out nearly as good, occurred on August 11, 2017 when a naked man with a gun was found meditating at the front door of our church. There is a link to an article I wrote about this incident above.

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But for the purposes of this article, this man was depressed and suicidal and tried to lure the Police to kill him that day, but they only wounded him to the shoulder. He is lucky to be alive, whether he knows that or not. Another blessing, was that he showed up on Saturday when the doors were locked.

But how common are Church shootings really?

There is an article on the Gospel Coalition that details some statistics on this matter.
The full link to the article is here. But here is some of what they had to say…

The Center for Homicide Research produced a study using online newspaper archive articles to document all cases of shootings on church property within the United States from 1980 to 2005. According to the data, there was a total of 139 shootings on church property with a total death toll of 185 people. During that 25-year period there were an average of six shootings on church property every year.

While that shows gun-related violence is rare, those statistics are for all shootings that occurred on church property, including some in the parking lot and unrelated to church activity and some that involved targeting of pastors outside of church services.

Let’s narrow the data further by considering media reports involving only shootings that occur within the church, and look at the period from 2006 (just after the study by the Center for Homicide Research) to June 17, 2015—the day of the mass shooting at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina.

During that nine-year period we find approximately 24 church shootings, an average of 2.7 per year.

If we assume that approximately three church shootings occur every year in the United States, what is the probability they could occur at any particular church? Church shootings are rarely random, and many are spillovers of domestic violence. But for our calculation let’s assume the targets are randomly distributed across all congregations.

There are an estimated 378,000 congregations in the United States, which means the likelihood of any congregation being involved in a shooting in any year is approximately one in 126,000 or 0.0000079 percent.

If we assume that each congregation meets at least once per week, there are a minimum of 19,656,000 church services every year in the United States. That means your odds of being in a church service in which a shooting occurs are at most 1 in 6,552,000 or 0.00000015 percent.

Well golly gee, that all sounds like we should all be safe as a bug in a rug! But then the real world happens and I have found through personal experience that it is not only likely that our church will have a security issue(s)… it is actually just a matter of time.

In the couple of years since our team launched, we have had two people with guns show up, several belligerent church goers, a few suspicious persons (one who just approached the alter during the sermon less than a week ago) two falls that resulted in injuries, and a few other safety and security matters.

Our team is out in the open for the most part, we have uniforms and radios, and we pray before each service. However, most days I will stay in plain clothes and monitor church activity from the background.

Praying Before Service

The Safety Team

When we first launched our team we had many people in the congregation who opposed us, thinking we looked like a security force and asking… is there a problem we need to know about? Is it safe to come to church?

My response was always simple… “No ma’am there is no problem, we are just going to be proactive and not reactive when a problem arises. We are here for your safety, if you need anything, just lets us know.”

At this point our team is well received and everyone is happy to have us around. What you should consider in your local church, is do you need a safety and security team? My answer is always a resounding YES. No matter what the size of your church, there is always a need.

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  1. So…Keith, do you agree with the “rednecks” about 2nd amendment rights? Not trying to start a fight, just wondering.

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      • Apologies for being unclear. I was using “redneck” inappropriately, and i am sorry for that. I’ve noticed that many Christians argue strongly against gun control laws, and the like, instead saying that it’s a heart problem. Do you agree with that?

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      • Myself, being a member of the NRA and seeking to acquire my Gun Safety Instructor Certification… I obviously defend our Second Amendment Rights in this Country. Why do people do crazy things? There are lots of reasons. Personally I am not a big fan of “gun free” zones. I think we are inviting bad people to do bad things.

        Think about this… in every city in America you will find banks stocked with money, protected by people with guns.

        Yet every school, stocked with our children sits unprotected.

        Which treasure is greater, money or a child? And why do you think we seem to be backwards in that equation?

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  2. Yet every school, stocked with our children sits unprotected.

    And just how do you think a security guard carrying a pistol is going to protect a school full of kids if someone approaches spraying bullets from an semi-automatic weapon?
    Not that this would ever likely happen of course. Oh … wait a moment.

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      • A security guard with a hand gun?
        In a guardhouse outside a packed school playground with kids screaming and running around, against a maniac with god complex and a death wish with semi-automatic or fully-automatic weapon hell bent on mass slaughter who begins spraying wanton gunfire in all directions?
        Are you frakking kidding me or do you think you are some sort of latter day Wyatt Earp.

        Maybe you have forgotten what school is for, Keith?

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      • That’s quite the scenario you have there Ark, complete with prison guardhouse….. nice touch… but YES OF COURSE I would HOPE a good guy with a gun was at the scene when the maniac shows up…. especially if my kid is at school that day.

        You would prefer he just kill everyone with no resistance whatsoever?

        But instead of your make-believe scenario why don’t we look at real life?

        https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html

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      • What ”prison guardhouse? The local Catholic School just down the road has guards (unarmed, of course) that man the boom in front of the school and they have a guardhouse as do several boomed areas around various suburbs.
        They can’t be expected to stand on their feet marching up and down all day. What a ridiculous idea you have of a guardhouse.

        You would prefer he just kill everyone with no resistance whatsoever?

        Don’t be so bloody stupid, Keith!
        It would be better for one and all if their were no guns in the first place.

        Real life is what we make it and the US is the Poster Boy for Mass Shootings isn’t it?
        So, as you are a devout Christian, how about you taking a stand and lobbying for a gun free America instead of this idiocy of defending the second amendment, which is simply a hand waving crock.

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      • Of course you can change it!
        Australia did. And there have been no mass shootings since.
        It is an AMENDMENT, Keith
        Amendments are there to amend.
        As has been done several times to the US Constitution.
        If you are unsure of the meaning of the word look it up in a dictionary

        Yeah, one example. And how many have died previously?
        And how many might have died had there been no firearms in the hands of civilians.
        Consider Japan.

        Admit it, you are simply a supposedly devout Christian who really likes guns who has no intention whatsoever of even considering an amendment to the current laws.
        At least be honest about it instead of sounding like a sales rep. for the NRA

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      • If you are quite done being an annoying jerk, please tell me how you think you are going to magically make hundreds of millions of firearms disappear from the Earth…. there are more guns than people in America. You are living in a fantasy world. And you cannot compare Australia with America…. as its just about the same population of New York State….

        Japan…. not even half the size of the US.

        Point being, even if you change the law, you would still have to get every American to turn in their weapons, not to mention all the illegal immigrants in our borders.

        THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN. PERIOD.

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      • If you are quite done being an annoying jerk, please tell me how you think you are going to magically make hundreds of millions of firearms disappear from the Earth

        If you believe it will never happen then of course all this really means is that the likes of you will never make an effort.
        Australia passed laws, so you lot could start by changing the Second Amendment.
        Just a few changes to start with. I am sure I don’t have to trot out the more obvious ones, now do I?

        Japan…. not even half the size of the US.

        Size has nothing to do with it. Attitude has everything.
        Again, you’re a clever fella, work it out, Keith.

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      • Once upon a time they weren’t.
        And it would be nice if they didn’t need to again.
        Are you now going to deflect without dealing with the real issue here?
        Are you at least in favour of addressing the second amendment regarding the current state of affairs pertaining to firearm ownership?

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      • Why not?
        Why should you have the right to bear arms?
        That is not what the second amendment was written for and you know it.

        You don’t know how to address it? Are you being obtuse on purpose?

        I stated up front. The Law can be amended.

        You do understand what the word Amend means, I presume?
        So let’s start with you.
        Are you at least in favour of amending the law?
        It is a simple, straightforward question.
        Yes or No?

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      • Seriously? Are you completely unaware of what calls have been made in your own country regarding amendments to the current firearm laws in your own country?

        Laws regarding assessment, (competency etc) waiting times, types of guns allowed to be sold, etc etc. (Automatic, semi automatic and semi automatic converters )
        You probably know a lot more about guns than I do so I doubt I could enlighten you in this area at all and you are probably completely up to speed woth all current weapons available , yes?.

        So once more, are you at least willing to consider amendments / changes to the current gun laws n your country?

        So. change the laws, Yes or No?

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      • Wait wait wait. You were talking about changing the Second Amendment which reads…

        “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

        Now you ask me if I am in favor of changing it… so I ask again… change it to WHAT?

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      • Anything that would reduce the number and type of weapons on the street and out of the hands of the general public.
        You choose what would be the best wording.
        Give it a go….

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      • As the 2nd amendment was drafted with regards militia and is therefore not relevant in the 21st century, thus, first and foremost I am asking if you are willing to consider amending it.
        Let’s get this out the way shall we?
        The answer is a straightforward Yes or No?

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      • Yes, but it is an amendment and can be amended.
        You amended the slavery laws and the liquor laws to name two.
        Are you even willing to look at the issues, Yes or No?

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      • Either. It matters not.
        Which one works for you, Keith?
        Are you willing to consider changes amendments to the current gun ownership regulations.
        Yes or No?

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      • Excellent! So, based on the terrible and avoidable tragedies that have occurred so far, are you prepared to at least support any initiative that removes semi-automatic weapons and fully-automatic converters from the general marketplace?
        Simple answer is all I am looking for. Yes or No.

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      • Probably not, but it doesn’t really matter does it?
        As you are not even prepared to consider their removal your arrogant intransigence demonstrates why there is a gun problem in the first place.

        I am sure Jesus would very likely turn his back on one such as you,or at the very least take you down a peg or two. He did have a thing against hypocrites did he not?

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      • You must be an atheist Ark, it is showing in your language and holier than thou stance on everything. If you disagree with an atheist on anything your close minded and bigoted…. blah blah blah.

        If you’re not an atheist, you impersonate one very well.

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      • Oh, yes, I am an atheist and an anti-theist.
        But this in no way detracts from your hypocrisy and my atheism has no bearing on the topic at hand.

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      • I’ve been commenting on and off for a while.
        I would have thought you would have remembered?
        It certainly isn’t anything I ever make a secret of, now is it and a quick look at mu blog will confirm this is two minutes I reckon.
        And you fit the bill of practically every fundamental christian I have ever encountered on the internet, including your reason for conversion.

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      • No it doesn’t.
        But as you feel so incensed over my ignorance over correct definition let’s start with assault rifles, shall we?
        After all, one can hardly say they are crucial for either hunting or self-protection.
        So ban the general public from owning this type of weapon yes or no?

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      • No. Police use Assault Rifles all day long and they are Semi-Automatic weapons. Pull the trigger and one round is fired. If the Police use them, then they should be available to all Citizens…. after all my family faces the same threats as the Police in my neighborhood

        Now I know assault rifles look very scary to you, but they are no more destructive than any other semi-auto except in caliber.

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      • Really? But if the threat to your family is a result of such firearms being available then simply ban the sale of such weapons and make their possession illegal?

        And while we are on the topic of threats, how many times have you been forced to actually discharge your weapon in anger in the protection of your family?
        And how many assailants that have illegally entered your home have you injured or killed while protecting your family?
        Be specific if you will.

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      • No. Not silly at all. It worked in Australia and yu are simply hand waving.

        Please answer the question I asked.
        how many assailants that have illegally entered your home have you injured or killed while protecting your family?
        Be specific if you will.

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      • You only asked the questions because you didn’t understand. I rephrased to make it simple for you.
        You mentioned break-ins and I am wondering how many assailants that have entered your home have you injured or fatally wounded.
        You are proud of your guns and consider them crucial to your long-term survival so why are you now refusing to answer my question?
        It is very straightforward. Surely you are not afraid to reveal the answer to your greater Christian readership?

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      • It has every relevance as this was your primary reason for owning guns. But as you are afraid to make answer,then let me put it another way and use an analogy you might be more familiar with.

        Do you think pornography should be regulated at all?

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      • Ark – that is a good question related to pornography. I do believe it should be regulated and it is regulated in many ways.

        I think we can do way better when it comes to controlling how easily minors are able access pornography.

        That said, while I wish pornography didn’t exist in our world and I believe the world would be a better place without it… I don’t agree that making all porn illegal and banning it around the world would work at all.

        People have developed an insatiable appetite for pornography and when that occurs they will do anything to satisfy themselves.

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      • Much like guns then.
        ”I think we can do way better when it comes to controlling how easily minors/people are able to access firearms.”
        ”Ark – that is a good question related to firearms. I do believe they should be regulated and it is regulated in many ways.”
        ”That said, while I wish firearms didn’t exist in our world and I believe the world would be a better place without it… I don’t agree that making all firearms illegal and banning it around the world would work at
        all.”
        See how it works?
        All you have to do is admit there is a problem and then face it.

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      • Here are the questions: Forget Australia, lets look at America. When Prohibition outlawed and banned alcohol, what happened? Did people get alcohol?

        When laws and bans were passed for illegal drugs what happened? Did people stop being able to find drugs?

        Why on Earth would a firearm ban turn out any other way??? Weapons would just move to the black market and be available on every street corner in America, unregulated.

        DUMB idea.

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      • So because a microscopic percentage of gun owners in the US do bad things, take away all the guns? What about cars and trucks? How many people drive drunk and kill people? How many cars and trucks have been used in mass killings? We should take away all the cars and trucks as well.

        If Police need weapons to protect me and my family from a dangerous threat, then I need the same weapons for the same reasons. Here where I live, police response is sloooooow my house got broken into, and it took them 3 hours to arrive on scene.

        It only takes moments for a home invasion to occur (which happens frequently in my city) and only a few more moments to get assaulted or killed.

        I will continue to protect my family… you are free to live as you wish.

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      • If only a microscopic percentage of gun owners in the us do bad things then there seems little point in having such lax laws regarding who owns them and what guns are available,
        In fact there seems little point in having so many millions of firearms in the hands of the general public in the first place.

        And again, you are trying to deflect without addressing the central issue.
        Firstly you could show your solidarity toward an eventual gun free America by giving up your membership of the NRA and start preaching/pushing for such in your church and even on your blog.
        Let’s see if you have a pair and just how committed you are to genuine peace and a non violent country.

        my house got broken into, and it took them 3 hours to arrive on scene.

        And how many of the burglars do you shoot Keith?
        Do you sleep with your holster on?

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      • No sir, having “a pair” is not laying down my weapons… so the bad guys can have their run of the place. That is called being a fool.

        I promote safe and responsible gun ownership and I am working towards certification as a gun safety instructor for the NRA.

        Look up how many mass shooters have killed people in America and compare that number with legal law abiding citizens.

        MICROSCOPIC.

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  3. We don’t have a gun problem in America we have a SIN problem. People have been killing each other since people were created. And millions and millions were killed long before guns were even imagined.
    If you believe magically making all firearms poof out of existence will stop people from killing each other, you are wildly mistaken.

    People that go on mass shootings are not just criminals. They are deranged lunatics who do not think clearly…. yet you believe changing a law will stop them? Amazing.

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    • We don’t have a gun problem in America we have a SIN problem.

      Ah … as soon as the tough questions are posed you revert to the fundamental Christian. How cowardly.

      I see. Therefore countries that have almost zero deaths from firearms …. such as Japan for example, have much less of a SIN problem than the US do they?
      But they are not even considered Christian, Keith. Do you think there is a correlation here, I wonder?

      People that go on mass shootings are not just criminals. They are deranged lunatics who do not think clearly…. yet you believe changing a law will stop them? Amazing.

      Ah yes, chuck in the Straw Man. Good one!
      So just how do deranged lunatics get to own, or get their hands on firearms, Keith?
      I am sure you know all the stats regarding every mass shooting. Where did all those lunatics find their guns?

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      • Right! So obviously if he was able to steal the gun then it wasn’t secure.
        On the other hand, if the thief had been a burglar for example then the firearm could have been used to kill the owner.

        I am sure you are intelligent enough to follow the inevitable logic of this scenario.

        Now, once again, how do you propose to help combat such a situation from a legal perspective?

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      • I also mentioned culture and am aware of why things are different Japan..
        As there are unlikely any countries the same as each other but there are lots of countries that do not have a firearms problem surely it would be better and more productive that we simply focus on deaths caused by firearms and address this problem?

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    • We don’t have a gun problem in America we have a SIN problem.

      Hahahaha, wow. That’s like saying “It isn’t the severe lack of fan-protecting netting at MLB stadiums, or the high velocity foul balls or flying bats that hurt, maime, and risk life-changing injuries to baseball fans. The problem is the pitcher, batter, and America’s past-time!” 😩 (facepalm)

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      • Hello Professor. Let me start by stating I am very well aware neither of us is going to change our viewpoint in this discussion. That said, let me clarify my position.

        When I say we have a SIN problem, what I mean is simple. If you could magically remove ALL guns from America and pass all sorts of laws banning them…. it will still not fix any problems. People would still be killing each other and we as humans are VERY creative in coming up with ways to do just that.

        You may have noticed over the last few years an uptick in the number of vans and trucks used in mass killings around the world…. some of them have been very deadly.

        By using the same logic anti-gunners use, a very logical step then would be to ban trucks and vans to stop people from doing bad things. If you look at the number of deaths with guns and number of deaths each year related to vehicles in America they are nearly the same.

        But the anti-gunner will say that’s ridiculous because vehicles are not MADE to kill people…. guns are. While that may be true, HOW MANY of the guns present in America today have ACTUALLY been used to kill a human? A MICROSCOPIC percentage. Which means the VAST majority of gun owners in America are law abiding and responsible. So to infringe upon their rights to bear arms simply because of a small percentage of bad actors in the world is outrageous.

        Secondly we can look at many other areas in America where we have passed laws and banned things… and you know what…. it NEVER works.

        Drugs are banned and illegal, and they are EVERYWHERE. Alcohol used to be banned and illegal and it was EVERYWHERE. The exact same thing will happen with GUNS. Even law abiding citizens will find themselves getting guns on the black market, because if their weapons are confiscated by the government, they will be exposed to a criminal element that is overwhelmingly armed (as the bad guys won’t give up their guns without a fight).

        So the solution is NOT to try to remove guns from society. It won’t work. The solution is to address and solve the problem…. why do people kill each other? what makes people go on mass shootings?

        If someone is a massive over-eater, removing all access to eating utensils will not stop them from over-eating.

        In the same way, anti-gunners focus on the wrong things.

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      • Hi Mr. Mosher.

        I am very well aware neither of us is going to change our viewpoint in this discussion.

        Hmm, that’s not a positive productive way to start an important discussion. Closed-off right from the start is not conducive to solutions and positive change. It begs the question: why respond at all? Nevertheless…
        It seems you missed my point or I may not have precisely articulated it in my metaphor. I had hoped to cause a lot of thought, even abstract thought, and deeper consideration of this very complex “problem” thru more than one lens. It is in no way “simple.” It should never be grossly and erroneously oversimplified as purely one source, or a religious concept: sin. Here’s why.
        Ask 1,000 or 100,000 Christians living on various continents as well as in the U.S. to define “sin” and it is guaranteed you will get a wide-range of answers. Many will go straight to quoting their Scriptures (“God”), but aside from the obvious immediate problem with that narrow-minded approach, there is not ONE authority, or Words of God/Scriptures to consult in the world. More importantly, with Christian Scriptures (that include the Jewish Tanakh) “sin” (or immorality) is quite ambigious, explicitly and implicitly when comparing/contrasting the “Ten Commandments” with other passages and events throughout their Scriptures, both New and Old Testaments. And the Ten Commandments are grossly inadequate in this day and age. I can give a plethora of examples of the Bible’s rampant ambiguity from a modern lens…
        We are all familiar with the many most inhumane, abominable and absurd Old Testament passages and laws reflecting the mental-emotional state of Yahweh, the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic God. A few examples:
        1) touching the Ark of the Covenant, 2 Samuel 6:1-7;
        2) women accidentally touching a man’s genitals, Deuteronomy 25:11-12;
        3) incestuous rape is acceptable, 2 Kings 13:8-14;
        4) out right genocide is condoned, Joshua 6:20-21;
        5) children who might curse their parents shall be put to death, Leviticus 20:9; and
        6) if caught working on the Sabbath, death to you too, Exodus 31:14 and Numbers 15:32-36.
        Hardcore Christians defend these “Godly acts” by claiming Jesus and the New Testament supersedes the Jewish Old Testament making those atrocities and violence null and void. Yet, this isn’t at all what the Jesus of the Gospels taught, should we believe the Gospels to be correct and God’s wishes: Matthew 5:17-19.
        Regarding MORE killing, murdering, genocide, and other atrocities, between Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, and Judges, “God-Jesus” slaughtered or sanctioned the slaughter of some 25,000,000 humans. If Jesus is not 1/3rd of the Godhead and one in the same, then this is the Old Covenant God Jesus undeniably worshipped so much he also died for it/Him. In modern criminology, Jesus was an accessory to near 25-million capital murders. If Christianity wants or must associate itself with Judaism’s God—because they must utilize (hijack) their Messianic prophecies for validation of a Divine Savior-Kingship—then it could be reasoned that faithful Christians condone genocidal, infanticidal, filicidal, and pestilent serial murdering.
        So grossly oversimplifying weaponized massacres with a catch-all anachronistic word “sin” — a strictly religious concept and in this case here a Christian concept — today does not pinpoint any significant resolutions or headway for increased public safety. This is to say nothing about the VERY significant scientific disciplines and advances by neurology, psychology, biology, endocrynology, embryology, sociology, and others have contributed to better progressive understandings of human behavior. These are very tangible disciplines poised to help in tremendous ways, as opposed to ambigious, divided, irreconcilable, and unsupported “divine” principles.
        Sorry Mr. Mosher, it is much more complex than a silver-bullet. I hope you have a good week. 🙂

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      • So you would agree with me that Ark’s “solution” to pass laws that ban guns is no real solution at all.

        As it doesn’t at all address the core issue of why people desire to kill people.

        As for the rest of your post… I won’t respond as none of it is relevant to this topic and is just a typical atheist tactic… Which is to cast aspersions and derogatory comments in a scattershot pattern hoping your theist opponent is ill-equipped.

        Another tell tale sign of your real motivations for posting here shows up in your first post… That is filled with mockery… Followed by a call for ME to be more positive.

        No sir I am positive that you have no desire to approach this conversation with any open mindedness or any true willingness to change if presented with a logical counter argument.

        How do I know? Because I have followed other comment threads where you have participated and have seen nothing of the sort.

        Now if you would like to continue a discourse around the issue of guns I will be happy to continue as well.

        What I will not do is follow you down the rabbit’s hole. But rest assured I disagree with just about everything you just wrote.

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      • So you would agree with me that Ark’s “solution” to pass laws that ban guns is no real solution at all. As it doesn’t at all address the core issue of why people desire to kill people.

        No. I do not agree with your interpretation of what I was addressing. As I stated, it is not as simple as one problem, “sin” or as easy as finding a silver-bullet. Your post doesn’t cover a fuller spectrum of the variables and factors regarding human psychological, cognitive, neurological, sociological (and other disciplines) behavior. Stating the problem is purely a religious concept is grossly inadequate as a possible headway to increased public safety. I think I sufficiently conveyed this in my 2nd reply.

        As for the rest of your post… I won’t respond as none of it is relevant to this topic and is just a typical atheist tactic… Which is to cast aspersions and derogatory comments in a scattershot pattern hoping your theist opponent is ill-equipped.

        Not relevant? Are you not the one that brought up the religious concept “sin.” I was responding to YOUR silver-bullet explanation. That’s all Mr. Mosher. By reading your About page I saw that your individual world-view is Christian, not to mention that your blog is titled “Stand Tall for Christ” and this post discusses incidents at your church. Therefore, discussing the topic of “sin” as a contributing problem to violent (weaponized) human behavior is on the contrary QUITE relevant. This (overly sensitive?) response from you is confusing and does not nurture productive dialogue regarding increased public safety.

        The remainder of your response is too generalized once again and unnecessarily offensive to address your individual feelings and perceptions of me, so I’ll ignore those sentiments. However, this one is relevant:

        Now if you would like to continue a discourse around the issue of guns I will be happy to continue as well.

        I don’t mind this invitation, although I have a gut-feeling you are going to get prematurely impatient with me offering alternative, broader perspectives to your blog-post, gun-violence, and their sources, symptoms, and explanations. But here’s one other lens to consider:

        Charles Whitman’s brain tumor (found in the autopsy after his shooting spree at the UT-Austin tower in 1966) which “nestled between his thalamus, hypothalamus and amygdala, developed quietly to the size of a pecan.” There is the possibility it affected his emotions and decreased management of anger and rage. But neurology, forensics, and psychiatry/psychology in 1966 was nowhere near as advanced as they are today. And Charles Whitman is only ONE case out of thousands and millions of human beings around the world affected by biological, neurological, and psychological abnormalities, to name just three!

        One of the police officers of the UT Tower shooting later went on record saying that had their been more private citizens on site with rifles, during the hectic/chaotic minutes and hours (the fog of war), that would’ve had made other later arriving Austin PD Officers overly cautious and confused as to whether the real shooter had escaped the tower, or any number of possibilities.

        Claire Wilson, one of the few survivors of that day who was pregnant walking with her boyfriend — the first 2 people Whitman shot — in her testimony stated to the Texas State Senate Affairs Committee that because of all the Wild West increased number of weapons firing back at Whitman unequivocally kept emergency personnel from reaching her, her unborn baby, and boyfriend sooner. Then Texas Governor John Connally stated “ground fire from civilians actually impeded the progress of officers to the top of the tower.”

        In an insane circumstance like that hot summer day at the UT Tower, or Virginia Tech, or the recent Las Vegas hotel massacre (and countless more) when milli-seconds count toward life or death, law-enforcement and EMT’s must now deal with MORE “Friend or Foe” uncertainty, chaos, and mistakes like friendly fire!!!???

        More guns in the hands of inadequaely trained people (e.g. psych-crisis management to diffuse) is not the solution. If anything it’s adding too many imperfect humans with lit candles or bottles of nitroglycerin constantly walk-in or through a powder-keg arsenal several times a day. That is not increased public safety. And simply claiming “sin” is the ultimate singular problem is as I’ve already stated, a gross and inadequate oversimplification.

        In advance, thank you for allowing this last comment out of your moderation folder. Have a nice week Mr. Mosher.

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      • Professor in my line of work we are often called to find the “root cause” of a problem. Every time we investigate an issue we always find many “contributing factors” but upon our final report we must conclude with a root cause.

        While everything you discussed are certainly contributing factors… What would you ascribe as THE root cause of the gun problem in America?

        Remember you can only respond with one answer.

        Do you think this is possible or do you think a root cause is always out of reach of a complex issue?

        From my worldview Sin is the root cause… Not just sinful choices and behavior but also how sin has corrupted everything. Mental disorders for example are a result of the decaying effects of sin.

        But you already know all of this… At least as far as you understand the Christian worldview.

        Saying that doesn’t get us closer to solving the problem. Which won’t truly be solved until the second return of Christ.

        But we can work towards indentifying mental disorders earlier and helping people get the real care they need.

        As this relates to gun ownership we need to change the privacy laws in this nation so that if someone goes to seek help (or is committed) for a mental disorder this information should be relayed to the government… So that they cannot legally obtain firearms.

        Do you support this concept?

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      • “While everything you discussed are certainly contributing factors… What would you ascribe as THE root cause of the gun problem in America?“

        Like ALL living organisms on the planet, both plants, animals, and humans, they/we ALL have many “roots.” For humans (or Homo sapiens) we have an ancestry of 175,000 to 200,000 years of paternal/maternal lineages that starting with our own parents and four grandparents, then so on and so on, that involve MANY hundreds and thousands of various genetic or ancestry “roots.” Many of those internal (and externally/environmentally affected) genetics are found in our DNA today. This is not debateable. Therefore, to answer your restrictive A or B binary question, there are multiple “roots” contributing to violent weaponized human behavior, not one.

        Do you think this is possible or do you think a root cause is always out of reach of a complex issue?

        “Do you think this is possible or do you think a root cause is always out of reach of a complex issue?“

        No, I do not think root causes are always out of reach, UNLESS there is stubborn tunnel-vision and closed-off minds investigating and studying symptoms, causes, and consequences that refuse to consider the FULL spectrum of influences and variables contributing.

        “Mental disorders for example are a result of the decaying effects of sin.“

        This is unequivocally untrue and a premise that is not supported by tangible evidence and hundreds of thousands of recorded psychological-psychiatric and neurological cases around the world. Are you in the field of psychology, psychiatry, or neurology Mr. Mosher to argue against this accrued evidence? Now, if you mean by “decaying affects of sin” to ACTUALLY mean unhealthy choices and behavior that say for example raise cortisol levels over long periods of time, then that MIGHT be something to further explore. But as you’ve written your HUGE stereotyping generalization, it is again insufficient for any tangible progress to solutions.

        “At least as far as you understand the Christian worldview.“

        I actually understand the Christian world-view extremely well and intimately given my background. Besides, all one needs to really do is just go straight to the source of the Christian “God”… Scriptures. Or rather the 4th-century CE Canonical Hellenistic Pauline Christological manuscripts found in today’s modern bibles.

        “As this relates to gun ownership we need to change the privacy laws in this nation so that if someone goes to seek help (or is committed) for a mental disorder this information should be relayed to the government… So that they cannot legally obtain firearms.

        Do you support this concept?“

        That’s a very complex Pandora’s Box full of Cans of Worms. LOL But at least you are thinking outside the box or a religious concept and binary thinking/faith system. Well done. But if I’m not mistaken those “…if someone goes to seek help (or is committed) for a mental disorder…” scenarios, laws, or procedures are already in place in several states. However, they are simply not enforced, implemented, or expedited (for whatever various reasons) in order to make them truly effective for increased public safety. Furthermore, citizens do indeed have some rights to protect their privacy regarding mental disorders from the public and employers due to an uninformed/uneducated (as far as psych disorders and their management) and highly judgemental puritan (self-righteous) society that is and has been over the last decades often in the majority… again, for many reasons.

        Therefore, to answer your good, further probing question, “Do you support this concept?” it depends on ALL the nuts-n-bolts of the implementation and whether they adequately incorporate established and perpetually growing studies in sound psychological, neurological, biological, endocrynological, embryological, sociological, and other critical fields of knowledge… not just vague ambigious religious concepts. To be more candid, all of these scientific disciplines can contribute in huge, tangible ways to reducing violent, weaponized, human behavior as opposed to antiquated ambigious theological-only ideologies or remedies. Though this is my own assessment here, those scientific fields I’ve listed actually DO HAVE reasonable solutions to murderous human behavior along with other solutions such as much more refined and restrictive gun-registration procedures and enforcment against illegal gun sales and gun-owner irresponsibility.

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  4. Keith-
    The real problem is water. Evil I tell ya. When it rains and rains and rains the roofs get wet. Some leak. Shingles tear. Boards rot. Roads flood. Cars wreck. Home Depot can’t stock enough dehumidifiers. Wallpaper peels off the walls. Mildew sets in. The black mold sneaks up. People die. Families are torn because their little house on the prairie lost its foot bridge to the water. Divorce is a result. Kids have to choose between Dad who is fixing the roof, and Mom who is emptying buckets from the basement.
    I say we need a water police force. Yep. Water is responsible for all the killings in the world. Paid Special Forces to guard against thee rain!!! Guns drawn pointed to the clouds!
    But your main point sails over the heads of the stubborn. If not guns, then a knife pointed at the throat of a Greyhound bus driver taking a hundred over a cliff; no gun needed. If not a knife, a pencil. Many thousands have been killed by pencils. If not pencils, drugs, etc. Take your pick.
    The heart is deceitful and desperately wicked, and your customers here are commenting in desperation that ‘sin’ is not the culprit. And btw, they who gripe against assault rifles may want to take a look and see how useless they are against a tank coming to a town near you. It’s all perspective.
    But you never hear how Pa Kettle saved Ma from a rapist because he was armed in his own home. Doesn’t fit the stupid leftist narrative.

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  5. Mental disorders for example are a result of the decaying effects of sin.

    As this is not a qualified medical diagnosis is runs the risk of falling within similar parameters as declaring a person suffering from epilepsy as being possessed by a demon, or worse, denying medical treatment for a child because of the utterly irresponsible and quite frankly disgusting belief that prayer will suffice for the child’s recovery.

    We live in a secular society in the 21st century, this is not Salem and therefore declaring mental illness the result of sin is not only utterly ridiculous but highly irresponsible.
    Professor Taboo’s example of the Austin shooting highlights perfectly the need for strict gun control laws to not only be in place but rigorously enforced.

    More guns has not prevented mass shootings. Even more guns will not do so either. And in your heart you probably know this, don’t you Keith.

    You simply refuse to accept this reality. It is unfortunate, but it is because of such atitudes more people will die, and very likely more children.

    It’s an argument that is so worn already it is practically a cliche and the facts are all the reality one needs.

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      • “We live in a secular society in the 21st century”

        Talk about demonstrably FALSE, wow where do you get that notion? And Professor just congratulates you on a great elaboration….

        Not good gentlemen.

        According to PEW (and any other poll you care to look at) a VAST majority of Americans are self-identified Christians and Catholics….nearly 83% as of 2014…. but get this… Atheists ONLY MAKE UP 3.1% of the population!!!

        So it is the EXACT opposite of what you claim…. and all of your atheist friends cheer you on.
        Then after the cheering stops, you all turn to the Christians and proclaim THEY are denying the truth, THEY are ignoring facts.

        Btw, I am STILL waiting for you to answer my simple question Ark… if BANNING and making Drugs illegal in this Country has had the OPPOSITE of the desired effect…. what makes you think doing so with Guns would be any different?? You have been dodging this question for some time… I know it is a harsh reality to face…. but go ahead and give me your answer if you will.

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      • Look at your constitution.
        You do not live in a religious based society, even though many may regard themselves as religious.
        In fact the only way religion can flourish with so much diversity is because of secularism.
        And, while there may be more people becoming religious in certain countries, especially those in Africa the more socially advanced nations are inexorably moving toward becoming secular humanist societies. This is an undeniable fact.

        The problem you seem to be having the greatest trouble grasping, Keith is cultural mindset. You are not in the Wild West out shootin’ injuns,

        Thus, this perceived need for guns is one that is inculcated, and bolstered by organisations such as the NRA, fueled by aggressive marketing and orientated around fear. Much like the old nuclear arms race. They have theirs so we must have ours and as long as we don’t get a maniac in power we are all hunky dory.

        And what do we see?
        I don’t need to explain it I’m sure.

        So, a shift in cultural values has to take place, just as it has done with such things as cigarette smoking and this, like any cultural shift has to start somewhere, so why not with someone like you?

        You have already expressed agreement regarding certain controls over pornography, and I tend to agree, especially as it is by and large an abuse of women. And of course you would be fully on board regarding child pornography I hope?
        We shift cultural perceptions that freedom of speech does not automatically mean we are free to exploit.
        Your fears regarding your family’s fears have been exploited and yet you refuse to state how nay intruders you have shot or killed in the protection of your family.

        The key therefore, is to implement stricter controls over firearm ownership which must go hand in hand with a move toward cultural mind-shift. This is the first step to a gun free society.
        And are you going to tell me this a pipe dream and you would not at least want to live in a society where even the thought of going a gun was a ridiculous idea?
        No, I don’t think even you would be that obtuse.

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      • You are stating the impossible, imagining a gun free society IS a pipe dream…. there are too many gun owners in the world that will never give them up and too many companies producing firearms that will never just lay down and shut down.

        I will make you a deal, when you are able to convince EVERY bad guy on planet earth to give up their guns, I will give up mine. Let me know when this happens, and I will be first in line.

        See how willing I am to help move towards your utopia?

        Btw, they still sell cigarettes every where I go…. so I am not sure of your point? And all of the people I grew up with who smoked… like my parents, still smoke. AND I still see a lot of Millennials smoking, which seems odd to me, but whatever.

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      • You are stating the impossible, imagining a gun free society IS a pipe dream…. there are too many gun owners in the world that will never give them up and too many companies producing firearms that will never just lay down and shut down.

        Japan is practically gun free so this shreds that part of your argument in one fell swoop.
        I stressed it is all to do with cultural mindset and you are simply refusing to address this aspect.
        I am beginning to think you are being purposely obtuse.
        But please, show me I am wrong in thinking this and you are at least willing to make a stand for gun free society?

        Yes they do sell cigarettes in many places, but smoking and smokers are not widely accepted as the norm. You can no longer smoke on planes in offices, cinemas shopping centres or restaurants.
        And advertising is no longer allowed
        THIS was the point and the fact cultural attitudes toward anything can and do change.

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      • You seemed to have conveniently disregarded that last part of my last comment, where I stated emphatically… when YOU are able to get all of the bad guys on earth to give up their guns, I will be the FIRST in line to give up mine.

        Now its your turn to make it happen. Make your utopia a reality and stop whining about it on a comment thread.

        Secondly are you willing to live under Japan rules, law and government? You cannot cherry pick…. if you want to use Japan as the perfect shining example for the world, you must be willing to take the WHOLE thing…. For me, I will stick with a democracy over a monarchy any day of the week.

        Have at it Hoss, move over there and enjoy your gun free zones.

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      • I did not disregard it all as it is a straw man specifically designe to deflect.
        ”We’ll stop producing Nuclear Arms when the Commies and the Ruskies stop producing theirs.”

        You know how that goes I’m sure.

        So demanding that one side gives up before the other side simply will not work.
        And even if it did, and you said , ”Okay, now I’ll give up my gun ” what’s to stop the Bad Guy from making his own?
        I keep hammering the point of cultural mindset and you demonstrate how you are simply unwilling to even look at it.
        And your monarchy quip? Really Keith?
        I am surprised you didn’t include a John Wayne quote and a Ye Haw.

        Your silly comment about Japan’s political system demonstrates your ignorance.
        England is a monarchy and also a democracy.
        You blundered regarding secularism and now you are doing a similar thing with politics.

        Keep your guns ”Hoss” and we’ll talk again the next time a Sinner opens fire with a semi automatic rifle in the next mass shooting.

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      • “We live in a secular society in the 21st century”

        Talk about demonstrably FALSE, wow where do you get that notion? And Professor just congratulates you on a great elaboration….

        Just to clear up an obvious misunderstand on your part, Keith as some of your other readers might be wincing a bit at your comment on this point.

        This is what a secular society is ….

        Wiki …

        Secular society. In studies of religion, modern democracies are generally recognized as secular. This is due to the near-complete freedom of religion (beliefs on religion generally are not subject to legal or social sanctions), and the lack of authority of religious leaders over political decisions.

        Now you know!

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      • Ark you were not talking about Secular society in the context of religious rule…. you were using it in context of religious thought.

        There is a huge difference. You seem to think that if a Christian who believes in God and the Bible and all that goes with that… should have NO voice in 2018 America, because you seem to liken our beliefs to the witch hunters of Salem.

        IN THAT CONTEXT you are dead wrong, we are a society FREE from religious RULE but made up of over 300 MILLION MOSTLY very religious people… and the very tiny number of Atheists should not be able to dictate public discourse.

        We have a voice in this country as much as you would like to silence us forever.

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      • Ark you were not talking about Secular society in the context of religious rule…. you were using it in context of religious thought.

        Actually it was exactly what I was talking about and why if we were not in a secular society you would likely have been burned at the stake by now.

        Those believing in Horus and Thor don’t get to import their beliefs and stamp their mark on society neither should Christians, which is why I raised the subjects of demon possession and prayer for illness as a counter to your unsubstantiated assertion regarding SIN.
        Once we allow leeway to such beliefs and any sort of credence for that sort of nonsense to be unleashed upon society in general we are only a few steps away from a theocracy. If this is what you would really like then look to Europe in the Middle Ages to see what happens when the religious held sway.

        Then gods forbid!

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      • Ark – if you do not believe in demons and demon possession you are not living in the real world, you are only recognizing the physical. In America we have camouflaged demonic activity under the guise of mental illness, but we are only helping the enemy remain hidden. All over the world demon possession is right out in the open… I have friends (that I know and speak with here) from India, who have been a part of many exorcisms. Real demons, real people.

        When the Florida shooter claims he heard voices telling him to kill all those kids, that is clearly demons at work.

        You can ignore this truth all day long, but if you would take the time to really research this topic… or better yet go and witness a real exorcism… your life and mindset would be changed.

        Be warned though, if you start to dabble in this area of spiritual warfare, you better be prepared and you better get on your knees and form a relationship with the only one who can protect you. Jesus Christ.

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      • In America we have camouflaged demonic activity under the guise of mental illness, but we are only helping the enemy remain hidden. […]

        When the Florida shooter claims he heard voices telling him to kill all those kids, that is clearly demons at work.

        Mr. Mosher, I’m sorry, but you clearly don’t know your mental-illnesses or schizophrenia DSM-5 295.90 (F20.9). Look it up. Earlier in this comment-thread I specifically asked you if you had any basic understanding or level of experience in the psych field. You did not answer. What does that imply? Several things demonstrated by these two statements.

        Also, current neurological treatments of schizophrenic patients suffering from auditory hallucinations CAN be redirected or managed as they have been doing at the University of Bergen since 2012:

        When a patient afflicted with schizophrenia hears inner voices something is taking place inside the brain that prevents the individual from perceiving real voices. A simple electronic application may help the patient learn to shift focus.

        “The patient experiences the inner voices as 100 per cent real, just as if someone was standing next to him and speaking” explains Professor Kenneth Hugdahl of the University of Bergen. “At the same time, he can’t hear voices of others actually present in the same room.”

        Auditory hallucinations are one of the most common symptoms associated with schizophrenia.

        –The Research Council of Norway. “Schizophrenia: When hallucinatory voices suppress real ones, new electronic application may help.” ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 3 February 2012.

        Neurology and psychology already know where auditory hallucinations originate with schizophrenic patients (inward voice in thoughts, voices in the inner ear) and these biological abnormalities occur during early childhood brain development by a number of variables — none of which are external stimuli or paranormal in nature. This is confirmed in a number of scientific journals of medicine, neurology, and psychiatry-psychology. Here are just two:

        –Plaze, Marion et al. “‘Where Do Auditory Hallucinations Come From?’—A Brain Morphometry Study of Schizophrenia Patients With Inner or Outer Space Hallucinations.” Schizophrenia Bulletin 37.1 (2011): 212–221. PMC. Web. 15 Aug. 2018.

        –Boksa, Patricia. “On the Neurobiology of Hallucinations.” Journal of Psychiatry & Neuroscience : JPN 34.4 (2009): 260–262. Print.

        So to be perfectly clear Mr. Mosher, a mindset perpetuating “camouflaged demonic activity” actually makes the understanding of these problems, addressing them, AND THEIR successful treatments unnecessarily difficult, sometimes near impossible when family members won’t cooperate with experts and professionals in the field.

        If this world today were to utilize your Oogity-Boogity ideology to address the neurologically-biologically and psychologically ill, NOTHING would ever change, but likely get much worse — which ironically is exactly what apocryphal Christianity and Islam overtly and covertly teach and want to occur as soon as possible — a horribly morbid mindset! Why? Because you’ve already swallowed “defeat” on Earth hook, line, and sinker. The problem with that deceived deluded ideology/mindset is that it has been unsuccessfully claimed for well over 2,000+ years. The biblical and Quranic prophetic caricatures were expecting “The End Times” to happen within their lifetimes or in the next, CERTAINLY not some 80 – 200 generations later or hundreds more! LOL

        I strongly recommend to you Mr. Mosher that you update your knowledge of current neurology, biology, and psychology, especially as it pertains to schizophrenia.

        Have a good week.

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      • Professor – Science has NOTHING to do with the paranormal as you call it. When you state…

        “Neurology and psychology already know where auditory hallucinations originate with schizophrenic patients (inward voice in thoughts, voices in the inner ear) and these biological abnormalities occur during early childhood brain development by a number of variables — none of which are external stimuli or paranormal in nature.”

        You are employing a common tactic used by atheists… to use science which is the study of NATURE…. to attempt to invalidate the unseen world around us. Again SCIENCE has nothing to say on the matter.

        Just as you state I am uneducated in the neuro sciences it is obvious to me you are equally uneducated in spiritual matters. No amount of scientific discovery will dismiss the existence of fallen angels, angels, God or Satan. Scientists see the reality (voices in the head) and MUST find a natural solution to the problem. They are working within the confines of a very tight space, while the truth wanders all around them.

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      • Professor – Science has NOTHING to do with the paranormal as you call it.

        Sorry Mr. Mosher, you are unequivocally wrong. It has everything to do with biology, genetics, ecology (or environment post-natal), early cranial development, neurology, endocrynology prenatal & post-natal, and I could go on and on and on to TRY to show you (and any others) just how grossly wrong you are.

        Nevertheless, I/we can close this discussion by just reminding you and your readers that the causes of violent weaponized human behavior are multiple and complex, NOT a silver-bullet (sin) as you proport. I believe I’ve provided sufficient support for this in all my comment-replies to AT LEAST encourage others to examine the FULL spectrum of symptoms, causes, and helpful consequences.

        Have a good week Mr. Mosher. You are welcome to have the last word. 😉

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  6. Hey tabs-
    Saw your lame remark at your cement ball capped buds atheist site where you moaned about ‘moderation.’ So what. Grow up already .I’m moderated too.

    Apparently WP thinks its a good idea, and I for one have used it rather well at my place because some people cannot be trusted with the freedom to speak without the most basest of depravity, speaking of despicable acts………language not fitting for home or office, well, you get the drift.

    Btw, your cement dead headed friend whose brain is obviously stunted with all that dead weight,, has banned me from his site. His loss. But don’t be a master hypocrite, as if Christians are the only ones who moderate. At least we have good reason. The atheist bans because the light of truth cannot be tolerated. Period.

    As to this post and your attempt to poof sin from your life, even Houdini isn’t that stupid to try to trick the world of the obvious. The wages of sin is death. Scripture and common sense, as well as your conscience all agree. Atheism has no answer for death courtesy of sin.

    The entire world groans. When was the last time a common sparrow landed on your arm? He dreads you. Nature is a fine teacher. Go ahead and remove a million guns from law abiding citizens, and you will simply create your utopia society where criminals run the show. Nice work prof; in my class you would fail.

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    • I wasn’t aware there was a big debate around comment moderation. I simply moderate because I want to know what people are adding to my site before they add it. I am the only one paying the bills around here, and I am the only one here spending hours and hours writing articles, so I think it is quite reasonable for me to want to filter messages that appear on this site.

      That being said, I have YET to delete any comments. But you never know who is going to stop by.

      So as my mother once told me “My House, My Rules”.

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      • No, not banned. Your status is as it was. I refused to allow any more comments from you on that particular thread after repeatedly asking you not to do what you always do. There is no need to explain.
        When you behave, your comments go through. And you are the ONLY one that is under this form of moderation.

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      • I had someone come on my site once, who kept posting and posting and posting the same thing, he got pretty belligerent about it… so I just ignored him and finally he went away. Never had to ban him or anything like that….

        I am curious what caused such an uproar on your site but that is your business if you don’t care to share no worries.

        Also Ark – just so you can sleep easier tonight, I have NEVER killed another human in my life. My house was broken into about 2 years ago or so, and they stole everything, but no harm came to my family as we weren’t home. Also, I never desire to kill another human, BUT if someone breaks into my home, I will defend my family and will use fatal force if necessary to eliminate the threat.

        I am very well trained in firearms, as I encourage others to be as well.

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      • He simply refuse to offer any evidence for his outrageous claims and launches into nonsensical rhetoric.
        He did it just now, suggesting how great was Noah and how Paul was taught under Gamaliel.
        I have no objection to people making such claims but if they wish to push this on my site then back it up with evidence.
        I ask once, I ask again and if he continues to not be forthcoming with the request then he is off the thread.

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      • BUT IT IS OK for you to come on MY BLOG and proclaim I should stay away from Children?

        I have spent years of my life guarding Children, in fact about a year ago I had to face off with a mentally ill man with a gun at my church, with a classroom of children less than 100 yards away inside.

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      • Guarding children? Hmm.
        Maybe if this bloke did not have a gun ….
        Oh, but we have been down this path already, haven’t we?
        Pompous?
        As you are fully on board with demons tell me how do you know that you are not being manipulated by a demon in the guise of your god?

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      • This is the last time I will respond to you Ark – As I stated you are no longer welcome on my site.

        You have crossed a line with me, stating that I should not be around Children because of my faith.

        I have no desire for you to pollute my blog (which I PAY FOR) with your insults any further.

        You are done here. The rest you will have to figure out on your own.

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      • Your religious beliefs are yours, and you exercise them at your own discretion.
        That is what a secular society is all about.
        This does not mean you should be allowed to indoctrinate children with such unsubstantiated nonsense as demon possession for which children, who are generally trusting of adults, have little if any defense in the form of a rebuttal based on critical thinking.
        That is what is disgusting and should be regarded as child abuse.

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  7. Keith-
    Your patience is commendable, but as you know, we have not yet met the hardships of Job. You are dealing with what I have been for decades.

    NO amount of evidence will satisfy a cold heart, as if the words of Daniel, Peter, Paul, and the Lord Jesus Himself are not evidence enough. Yeah, like we need the opinion of Carl Sagan or DeGrasse to tell us if Noah was an excellent shipbuilder.

    Sin is a reality, and a further proof of this ‘peer reviewed’ fact, is the assault on the time tested institution of marriage, which somehow someway, tries to justify the union of ‘sames’ as opposed to opposites.

    Also, the breakdown of common sense is truly a sign of the times. But correct, people forget and are clueless as to how many gun deaths are currently stopped, because the criminal/killer does not know if a homeowner is prepared to defend his own life; so the dopes go for ‘gun free zones.’

    I do have a solution. In schools, let it be known that there are armed and trained personnel on staff. Could be a janitor. Could be the principal. Could be a marksman former Special Ops cafeteria worker.We will not tell you who they are. If you ply your devilish acts, your life may possibly end today. Seems like a good idea.

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